Thomas "Wildera" [recte: Widera] has been quoted in two British newspapers in the past week; saying things that make would make Deborah Lipstadt and similar Dresden minimisers purr with satisfaction:Cerdic wrote:http://www.thelocal.de/20150203/dresden ... 3-februaryThe historians refuted several myths, including the widespread belief that temperatures in the city reached 2,000 degrees in the firestorm — a temperature at which humans turn to ash.
“We were able to prove that wasn’t the case,” said Thomas Wildera of Dresden’s Technical University, a member of the commission. “We disproved the notion that tens of thousands of people disappeared without trace.”
They did so by analysing photos that showed the condition of the brickwork on buildings after the raid. On lower floors, where people were likely to have been sheltering, temperatures rose no higher than 300 to 500, below cremation levels.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/f ... llies-past[/quote]
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 39671.html
The problem is, for purported Dresden bombing expert Widera and his supporters, is that the man ignores evidence that conflicts with his and his supporters' desired conclusions.
Widera still claims that no more than 25,000 were killed in the "terror attack" (it is referred to as the "Terrorangriff" in a message from the Dresden police chief to the Orpo chief, Berlin on 27.03.45: source: Intercept 132, ZIP/GPD 4082, Traffic 27.03.45 in UK NA HW 16/43), but it's hard to believe that Widera is unaware of the intercepted message David Irving discovered on April 24, 2009, especially considering it was mentioned in an article by Wolfgang Schaarschmidt in Junge Freiheit:
http://jungefreiheit.de/service/archiv/ ... 043050.htm
Back at the Public Record Office I continue to turn the pages of the immense volumes of decoded SS and police messages, released from top secret files only a few years ago. I have now read nearly fifty volumes and I have reached the year 1945. This particular volume has over 2,000 pages of flimsy paper, with ten or fifteen much-abbreviated decoded German messages typed on each page: the contents are madly out of sequence, bound into the volume in the order they were decoded weeks or months after the war.
I methodically read each one, and type a copy of those messages I may need for my Heinrich Himmler biography. Hard sledding, but it is worth it. Their value as a source is immense -- nothing here has been written just for post-war window-dressing (as some 1944 and 1945 documents clearly have been): nobody guessed that we would ever be reading these secret code messages.
AS THE day draws on I come across a document which I only half-suspected I might ever find. [...]
http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/Irving/RadDi/2009/240409.htmlRe: Missing Persons Situation in Dresden Air Raid Defence region.
The Lord Mayor of Dresden City has established (a) a Central Bureau for Missing Persons and nine Missing Persons registries; (b) eighty- to one-hundred thousand missing-person notifications are estimated to have been registered so far; (c) 9,720 missing-person notifications have been confirmed as fatalities; (d) to date, information on twenty thousand missing person cases has been given out; (e) accurate statistical data possibly only later.
Irving neglected to advise what the archive ref is for this intercept, but I managed to find it last year and can confirm the archival ref is: UK NA: HW 16/43, ZIP/GPD 4073, Traffic 24.03.45, Addendum III, p.3, no.151.
My evidence is above Cerdic, you no doubt deny that over 100,000 people were killed in the bombing of Dresden.Cerdic wrote:Where's your evidence that Nessie, or indeed me, have denied any known facts about Dresden?